Kevin and guest Ziming Zhao, assistant professor in the Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University at Buffalo, discuss Ziming’s work in systems and software security. They focus on ethical hacking and its goal of responsibly disclosing vulnerabilities to vendors. Ziming says that hacking can be fun and doing it ethically serves a purpose, though he emphasizes that ethical hacking is not a guarantee of absolute security. Companies still need to have a security in design mindset. Ethical hackers can help raise the security bar for companies and organizations. Ziming also discusses the relationship between academia and industry in the field of ethical hacking.